Registration is now open for the 2012 Moriarty Super Regional Club/
Modern Class contest. Dates are 6-11-12 to 6-16-12, which includes a
scheduled rest day for family activities or to make up a no contest
day due to bad weather. Practice days are 6-9 and 6-10.

http://www.ssa.org/members/contestreports/contestresultsdetail.asp?id=2198&display=info

Mike

On Nov 14, 6:08*pm, mike > wrote:
> Registration is now open for the 2012 Moriarty Super Regional Club/
> Modern Class contest. Dates are 6-11-12 to 6-16-12, which includes a
> scheduled rest day for family activities or to make up a no contest
> day due to bad weather. Practice days are 6-9 and 6-10.
>
> http://www.ssa.org/members/contestreports/contestresultsdetail.asp?id...
>
> Mike

This is the second year for this interesting format, and I'm glad to
see it working out.

Others thinking of similar events should know, though, that handicap
ranges may overlap. It is ok by the rules to have a "club" class that
is 0.90 and below, and a "modern" class that is 0.94 and above, and
let pilots in between decide where they want to fly. It's also ok to
limit the range that gets a handicap adjustment, i.e. club is 0.90 -
1.05, gliders below 1.05 are welcome but don't get a handicap boost.
This may be better than turning people away or forcing them to a class
they don't want to fly. The multiple handicapped classes are quite
flexible, and people should feel free to think about what will work
best.

John Cochrane

On Nov 15, 7:53*am, John Cochrane >
wrote:
> On Nov 14, 6:08*pm, mike > wrote:
>
> > Registration is now open for the 2012 Moriarty Super Regional Club/
> > Modern Class contest. Dates are 6-11-12 to 6-16-12, which includes a
> > scheduled rest day for family activities or to make up a no contest
> > day due to bad weather. Practice days are 6-9 and 6-10.
>
> >http://www.ssa.org/members/contestreports/contestresultsdetail.asp?id...
>
> > Mike
>
> This is the second year for this interesting format, and I'm glad to
> see it working out.
>
> Others thinking of similar events should know, though, that handicap
> ranges may overlap. It is ok by the rules to have a "club" class that
> is 0.90 and below, and a "modern" class that is 0.94 and above, and
> let pilots in between decide where they want to fly. It's also ok to
> limit the range that gets a handicap adjustment, i.e. club is 0.90 -
> 1.05, gliders below 1.05 are welcome but don't get a handicap boost.
> This may be better than turning people away or forcing them to a class
> they don't want to fly. The multiple handicapped classes are quite
> flexible, and people should feel free to think about what will work
> best.
>
> John Cochrane

Hi John,

It is nice, at least in theory to Club Class enthusiasts, to have the
Club Class as close as possible to the rule and spirit of the FAI Club
Class, when considering handicap spreads.

In general, from last years experience, I think using a 'two tier'
handicap system is a GREAT format for any regional or super regional
contest.

Mike

On Nov 15, 2:09*pm, Mike > wrote:
> On Nov 15, 7:53*am, John Cochrane >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 6:08*pm, mike > wrote:
>
> > > Registration is now open for the 2012 Moriarty Super Regional Club/
> > > Modern Class contest. Dates are 6-11-12 to 6-16-12, which includes a
> > > scheduled rest day for family activities or to make up a no contest
> > > day due to bad weather. Practice days are 6-9 and 6-10.
>
> > >http://www.ssa.org/members/contestreports/contestresultsdetail.asp?id....
>
> > > Mike
>
> > This is the second year for this interesting format, and I'm glad to
> > see it working out.
>
> > Others thinking of similar events should know, though, that handicap
> > ranges may overlap. It is ok by the rules to have a "club" class that
> > is 0.90 and below, and a "modern" class that is 0.94 and above, and
> > let pilots in between decide where they want to fly. It's also ok to
> > limit the range that gets a handicap adjustment, i.e. club is 0.90 -
> > 1.05, gliders below 1.05 are welcome but don't get a handicap boost.
> > This may be better than turning people away or forcing them to a class
> > they don't want to fly. The multiple handicapped classes are quite
> > flexible, and people should feel free to think about what will work
> > best.
>
> > John Cochrane
>
> Hi John,
>
> It is nice, at least in theory to Club Class enthusiasts, to have the
> Club Class as close as possible to the rule and spirit of the FAI Club
> Class, when considering handicap spreads.
>
> In general, from last years experience, I think using a 'two tier'
> handicap system is a GREAT format for any regional or super regional
> contest.
>
> Mike

someday when i get a club class glider i hope they are still running
this format at Moriarty since it is a mere 14 hour drive from Wichita.

I like the split handicap idea as well. in the old days there were
many contests that had a low performance and high performance class.
there also used to be an east and west nationals. ok that was back in
the 30's and the "west" nationals were in Michigan. some ideas come
full circle.

i wouldn't have minded a split based on handicap at Llano for region
10. I got beat by a Ventus and a Lak-12 :D

> Hi John,
>
> It is nice, at least in theory to Club Class enthusiasts, to have the
> Club Class as close as possible to the rule and spirit of the FAI Club
> Class, when considering handicap spreads.
>
> In general, from last years experience, I think using a 'two tier'
> handicap system is a GREAT format for any regional or super regional
> contest.
>
> Mike

Mike:

That's great, and you should do whatever makes your pilots happy.

In general, these things might work better with overlapping handicap
ranges. What if a ventus 1 pilot doesn't want to fly with the standard
cirruses in club class and would prefer to fly with his buddies in FAI
class? Why force him to club class if his ambitions lie elsewhere?

But that's not too important. The main point is that others may want
to set up something with overlapping handicap ranges. I didn't want
others to infer there is some rule that handicap ranges can't overlap.
It turns out there are a surprising number of things that people think
are in the rules that really aren't there!

John Cochrane

On Nov 15, 6:24*pm, John Cochrane >
wrote:
> > Hi John,
>
> > It is nice, at least in theory to Club Class enthusiasts, to have the
> > Club Class as close as possible to the rule and spirit of the FAI Club
> > Class, when considering handicap spreads.
>
> > In general, from last years experience, I think using a 'two tier'
> > handicap system is a GREAT format for any regional or super regional
> > contest.
>
> > Mike
>
> Mike:
>
> That's great, and you should do whatever makes your pilots happy.
>
> In general, these things might work better with overlapping handicap
> ranges. What if a ventus 1 pilot doesn't want to fly with the standard
> cirruses in club class and would prefer to fly with his buddies in FAI
> class? Why force him to club class if his ambitions lie elsewhere?
>
> But that's not too important. *The main point is that others may want
> to set up something with overlapping handicap ranges. I didn't want
> others to infer there is some rule that handicap ranges can't overlap.
> It turns out there are a surprising number of things that people think
> are in the rules that really aren't there!
>
> John Cochrane

I think your overlapping idea and illustration is a very good one
John.

Mike